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Discourse 10
The Less You Are, The More You Are
The Less You Are, The More You Are
Osho,
Shohei – Suibi’s disciple – asked Suibi, “What is the meaning of
Bodhidharma’s coming from the West?”
Suibi said, “I’ll tell you later when nobody is around.”
Sometime later, Shohei said, “Now, there is nobody. Please
master, tell me the answer.”
Suibi, getting down from the Zen stool, took Shohei to the bamboo
garden. Again, Shohei asked, “Now, there is nobody. Please
master, tell me the answer.”
Suibi, pointing to the bamboos, said, “This bamboo is that long,
that bamboo is that short.”
Friends,
First the questions from the sannyasins.
The first question:
The other day you spoke about Fritjof Capra. Can you speak
about the movement of transpersonal psychology, and in
particular about the work and meditation of Ken Wilbur, who is
said to be the founder of the spectrum psychology?
Why don’t such people come here? Are they imprisoned in being
too established? Is your vision and its practical consequences the
problem for them?
The first thing to be understood is that I am not dealing with
psychology. Psychology remains attached to the mind; it is the
science of the mind. And my whole work is how to take you out of
the mind, so these people will take me as if I am their enemy.
They are working out how the mind functions, whether it is
personal or interpersonal, what are its conditionings and how
those conditionings can be changed with new conditionings. Their
whole work – whether they call it interpersonal psychology or
spectrum psychology – remains confined to the mind. And my
world, the world of Zen, is the world of no-mind.
We simply don’t want to bother about all the rubbish that mind is
carrying from centuries. If you get involved in it, you can go on
digging and digging, and you will find more bullshit coming out. It is
better just to take a jump out of it; it is not you. It is the whole
conditioning of mankind, from generation to generation. Every
mind concept has traveled to you, and it is becoming thicker and
thicker every day. As time passes, you have a thicker mind, and
meditation becomes more difficult.
These people are not concerned with meditation at all, hence
there is no question of their being here. Secondly, they think they
have found the answer. Obviously, a person who thinks he has
found the answer will not go seeking the truth anywhere, but will
remain confined in his own imagination.
Mind cannot be anything more than images, thoughts, sentiments,
moods. Mind is not your nature, but an imposition by the society
on your purity.
These people will feel at a loss here, because whatever they have
been doing we are throwing out – and they have been collecting.
They will get great stuff if they come – just to collect. Every
evening so much rubbish is thrown. They can collect and enjoy
analyzing it....
Shohei – Suibi’s disciple – asked Suibi, “What is the meaning of
Bodhidharma’s coming from the West?”
Suibi said, “I’ll tell you later when nobody is around.”
Sometime later, Shohei said, “Now, there is nobody. Please
master, tell me the answer.”
Suibi, getting down from the Zen stool, took Shohei to the bamboo
garden. Again, Shohei asked, “Now, there is nobody. Please
master, tell me the answer.”
Suibi, pointing to the bamboos, said, “This bamboo is that long,
that bamboo is that short.”
Friends,
First the questions from the sannyasins.
The first question:
The other day you spoke about Fritjof Capra. Can you speak
about the movement of transpersonal psychology, and in
particular about the work and meditation of Ken Wilbur, who is
said to be the founder of the spectrum psychology?
Why don’t such people come here? Are they imprisoned in being
too established? Is your vision and its practical consequences the
problem for them?
The first thing to be understood is that I am not dealing with
psychology. Psychology remains attached to the mind; it is the
science of the mind. And my whole work is how to take you out of
the mind, so these people will take me as if I am their enemy.
They are working out how the mind functions, whether it is
personal or interpersonal, what are its conditionings and how
those conditionings can be changed with new conditionings. Their
whole work – whether they call it interpersonal psychology or
spectrum psychology – remains confined to the mind. And my
world, the world of Zen, is the world of no-mind.
We simply don’t want to bother about all the rubbish that mind is
carrying from centuries. If you get involved in it, you can go on
digging and digging, and you will find more bullshit coming out. It is
better just to take a jump out of it; it is not you. It is the whole
conditioning of mankind, from generation to generation. Every
mind concept has traveled to you, and it is becoming thicker and
thicker every day. As time passes, you have a thicker mind, and
meditation becomes more difficult.
These people are not concerned with meditation at all, hence
there is no question of their being here. Secondly, they think they
have found the answer. Obviously, a person who thinks he has
found the answer will not go seeking the truth anywhere, but will
remain confined in his own imagination.
Mind cannot be anything more than images, thoughts, sentiments,
moods. Mind is not your nature, but an imposition by the society
on your purity.
These people will feel at a loss here, because whatever they have
been doing we are throwing out – and they have been collecting.
They will get great stuff if they come – just to collect. Every
evening so much rubbish is thrown. They can collect and enjoy
analyzing it....
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