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Discourse 8
Inscape — The Ultimate Annihilation
Inscape — The Ultimate Annihilation
Osho,
A monk asked Daiten, a disciple of Sekito, “How is it when one
meets the person-in-there?”
Daiten replied, “The person is not in there anymore.”
The monk asked, “What is ‘in there’?”
Daiten said, “Don’t ask that question.”
The monk then asked, “In the ocean of misery, the waves are
deep. With what can we make a boat?”
Daiten replied, “Make a boat with wood.”
The monk said, “If we do, can we go across the ocean?”
Daiten replied, “The blind are still blind; the dumb are still dumb.”
On another occasion a monk from Korea came to see Daiten.
When the monk unrolled the sitting mat to make a bow, Daiten
said, “Before you leave your country, get the single phrase!”
The monk had no answer.
Daiten then came forward and said, “If you ask about the single
phrase here, I will answer with two phrases.”
Friends,
First, the questions from the sannyasins.
The first question:
Apparently sex was used by some Zen masters – for example,
Ikkyu – as a way to transform energy. However, in no translation
to date does evidence of this appear. It seems disciples excluded
from their records about their master any mention of sex, for fear
that their master would be misunderstood.
Would you like to comment?
It is a long story.
Zen has moved from one country to another country, from one
climate to another climate. It was born in India.
Hinduism, as such, in its early stages, was very natural, very
existential. It had no taboos about sex, its seers and saints had
wives. Celibacy was not an imposition, it came on its own accord
through the natural experience of sex. Hinduism in its early stages
was a very natural, very existential approach – almost like Zen.
But then there was another tradition which is represented by
Jainism. It is a very puzzling question, and historians are almost
silent, because nobody wants to stir any controversy. It is left to
me to create all kinds of controversies.
Jainism is not a part of Hinduism; it is far more ancient than
Hinduism. In the excavations at Mohenjo Daro and Harappa – both
places now are in Pakistan – great cities have been found in ruins,
and there is a possibility that those cities had naked statues like
Mahavira. And the symbol of the swastika, which is the symbol of
Jainism, is also found in those excavations. It is a possibility that
those cities existed long before Hinduism entered this country.
Hinduism is not a native philosophy to this country....
A monk asked Daiten, a disciple of Sekito, “How is it when one
meets the person-in-there?”
Daiten replied, “The person is not in there anymore.”
The monk asked, “What is ‘in there’?”
Daiten said, “Don’t ask that question.”
The monk then asked, “In the ocean of misery, the waves are
deep. With what can we make a boat?”
Daiten replied, “Make a boat with wood.”
The monk said, “If we do, can we go across the ocean?”
Daiten replied, “The blind are still blind; the dumb are still dumb.”
On another occasion a monk from Korea came to see Daiten.
When the monk unrolled the sitting mat to make a bow, Daiten
said, “Before you leave your country, get the single phrase!”
The monk had no answer.
Daiten then came forward and said, “If you ask about the single
phrase here, I will answer with two phrases.”
Friends,
First, the questions from the sannyasins.
The first question:
Apparently sex was used by some Zen masters – for example,
Ikkyu – as a way to transform energy. However, in no translation
to date does evidence of this appear. It seems disciples excluded
from their records about their master any mention of sex, for fear
that their master would be misunderstood.
Would you like to comment?
It is a long story.
Zen has moved from one country to another country, from one
climate to another climate. It was born in India.
Hinduism, as such, in its early stages, was very natural, very
existential. It had no taboos about sex, its seers and saints had
wives. Celibacy was not an imposition, it came on its own accord
through the natural experience of sex. Hinduism in its early stages
was a very natural, very existential approach – almost like Zen.
But then there was another tradition which is represented by
Jainism. It is a very puzzling question, and historians are almost
silent, because nobody wants to stir any controversy. It is left to
me to create all kinds of controversies.
Jainism is not a part of Hinduism; it is far more ancient than
Hinduism. In the excavations at Mohenjo Daro and Harappa – both
places now are in Pakistan – great cities have been found in ruins,
and there is a possibility that those cities had naked statues like
Mahavira. And the symbol of the swastika, which is the symbol of
Jainism, is also found in those excavations. It is a possibility that
those cities existed long before Hinduism entered this country.
Hinduism is not a native philosophy to this country....
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