No Water No Moon
talks on Zen stories

by Osho

10 talks given live   Aug. 1974
Pune, India
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    Zen masters Osho talks about in this book:

    name in book           Chinese pinyin

    Chiyono
    Bukko........................Wuxue
    Hakuin
    Mamiya
    Gutei.........................Judi
    Tokusan....................Deshan
    Ryutan.......................Longtan
    Ikkyu
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from No Water, No Moon. English talk by
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01:31:46

    Debate is violence. You can kill through it, you
    cannot revive through it.

    You cannot give life through it, you can murder
    through it. Truths can be murdered through
    debate, but they cannot be resurrected. It is
    violence; the very attitude is violent. Really, you
    are not asking for the truth, you are asking for
    the victory. When victory is the goal, truth will be
    sacrificed. When truth is the goal, you can
    sacrifice victory also.

    And truth should be the goal, not victory,
    because when victory is the goal you are a
    politician, not a religious man. You are
    aggressive, you are trying somehow to overpower
    the other, you are trying somehow to dominate
    and domineer. And truth can never become a
    domination, it can never destroy the other. Truth
    can never be a victory in the sense that you have
    overpowered the other.

    Truth brings humility, humbleness. It is not an
    ego-trip – but all debates are ego-trips. So
    debate can never lead to the real; it always leads
    to the unreal, the untruth, because the very
    phenomenon that you are after, victory, is stupid.
    Truth wins, not you, not I. In discussion you win or
    I win, truth never wins...

                                                        – Osho
                                       No Water, No Moon, ch. 2
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Chapter Titles

Chapter   1: No Water No Moon

Chapter   2: Trading Dialogue for Lodging

Chapter   3: Is That So?

Chapter   4: The Dead Man’s Answer

Chapter   5: Gutei’s Finger

Chapter   6: Why Don’t You Retire?

Chapter   7: Black-Nosed Buddha

Chapter   8: The Giver Should Be Thankful

Chapter   9: A Philosopher Asks Buddha

Chapter 10: Ninakawa Smiles
    No Water, No Moon　

    Chinese pinyin:
    Meiyou shui, meiyou yueliang

    Chinese traditional:
    沒有水，沒有月亮

    Chinese simplified:
    没有水，没有月亮
    Sutras of the book in English and Chinese
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